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"Strange Fruit: Blood in the Trees, Blood at the Root" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-12-29 18:29:59

Here's the. I'd desire to get some feedback on this subject and on this surprising connection. What do you think? BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the JOURNAL. Our subject in this hour is one you don't hear discussed very often in politics or around the dining table. It's buried so deeply in the American psyche that rarely does anyone carry it lie and bear on. Our silence on it is one reason we have so much difficulty coming to terms with race in America. I'm reluctant to increase it even now because it's anything but a comfortable subject for television. But I went online not long ago and listened to a speech at Harvard University that I simply can't forget and I wanted you to meet the man who delivered it. JAMES CONE: .. blacks and whites and other Americans who want to understand the meaning of the American experience be to remember lynching. BILL MOYERS: His name is James bevel and he has a powerful communicate about seeing America through the experience of the cross and the lynching channelise. JAMES CONE: . to make sense out of the cross the central symbol of the Christian faith and the lynching channelise... BILL MOYERS: That's right - the go across on which Christians believe Jesus Christ was crucified in the Roman Empire and the lynching tree that meant agony and death for thousands of black populate. Their connection is the subject of our broadcast. Be forewarned: you ordain see some disturbing images. account MOYERS: The reappearance of nooses is a haunting reminder of the dark side of American history when after the civil war color Americans were forced to live in the shadow of the lynching tree. Thousands of human beings tortured and hanged by the pet until dead. BILLIE HOLIDAY SINGING Southern trees bear strange fruit... .. blood on the leaves and blood at the root black bodies swinging in the Southern breeze... BILL MOYERS: James bevel knows that song come up. As one of America's pioneers of black theology he has never been able to forget its message and he wants his students at Union Theological Seminary here in New York City to remember it too. JAMES CONE: .. so that the brutal facts of history keeps that from being a choose of pie in the sky thing. BILL MOYERS: James Cone has been at Union Seminary since 1969 teaching systematic theology through the black undergo in America... BILL MOYERS: He grew up in rural Arkansas and soon found his calling in the perform. He was ordained by the African Methodist Episcopal perform and went on to the life of teacher and scholar. Among his many books and articles are these - MARTIN & MALCOLM & AMERICA. BLACK THEOLOGY & BLACK POWER AND GOD OF THE OPPRESSED - all translated in nine languages. BILL MOYERS: Right now he's thinking through how the cross and the lynching tree enable us to interpret America today. JAMES CONE: .. so I want to start a conversation about the cross and the lynching tree and thereby break our silence on race and Christianity in American history. account MOYERS: That old Billie Holiday number that-- that we played. Strange Fruit-"Southern trees feature strange bear daub on the leaves and blood at the grow. Black bodies swinging in the southern blow. Strange fruit hanging from the poplar tree." I mean nobody sings that anymore. You don't hear it. But yet that is deep in our DNA is it not? JAMES CONE: Yes it's deep. Because lynching is so deep. And that song is about lynching. It's about black bodies hanging on trees. And that's deep in the American experience. Particularly after the Civil War. But it's connected with slavery too. Although lynching didn't act place in slavery because color people were worth too much. JAMES bevel: So they're-- oh no-- no. They didn't lynch them during the time of slavery. It's after slavery. And it's in order to hold back the community. It's to put fear and terror in their hearts so that they would be forced to adapt and be out in the fields and bring home the bacon and not loiter. And to remember that whites controlled the world. Even though the south lost the war they are still in control of their section of America. JAMES CONE: It worked to a certain degree. It only worked in the sense that it reminded black people and white people that whites actually had political and social control and economic control. But they didn't undergo control of their humanity. See that's what religion is about. Religion is a search for meaning when you don't have it in this world. So while they might have controlled the black people physically and politically and economically they did not hold back their animate. That's why the color churches are very powerful forces in the African American community and always has been. Because religion has been that one displace where you undergo an imagination that no one can control. And so as desire as you experience that you are a human being and nobody can act that away from you then God is that reality in your life that enables you to experience that. JAMES bevel: Even though you're living under the shadow of the lynching channelise. Because religion is a animate that is not defined by what people can do to your body. They can kill your body but they can't blackball your soul. We were always told that. There is a spirit deep in you that nobody can act away from you because it's a creation that God gave to you. Now if you know you have a humanity that nobody can take away from you they may lock you up. They may lynch you. But they don't win. BILL MOYERS: But when you were growing up in that move of the world -- well we grew up only about a hundred miles or so apart. I grew up in east Texas. You in southwestern Arkansas. I'm a little older than you. But we come out of that same grow. Did you in your community. Fordyce and Bearden communicate about lynching very much? JAMES CONE: Yes my care and father did -- my mother and father did. We didn't talk so much about it publicly. But my mother and father talked about it all the time. They told us stories about lynching. I think that happened with many color families. It's that we didn't talk about it much publicly like in schools and in churches. But we did communicate about it at home. account MOYERS: In the white community of my deeply segregated hometown. I honestly don't remember our talking about it. BILL MOYERS: When my create died. I found in his effects a yellow newspaper from Paris. Texas where he was born and lived. And I lived there for a little while. And it was a lynching- a enter of a lynching near his do work. Five thousand people had come to check this man lynched. JAMES CONE: Yeah--spectacle lynchings were-- were especially prominent just after the Civil War and in the beginning of the 20th century spectacle lynchings. And they didn't stop until the 30s the late 1930s. account MOYERS: How do you inform the current spate of the appearance of the noose again? Up comes this story alter here from the suburbs of New York. A intertwine found in the basement-a locker room of the village police department. The deputy chief of guard is black. And then you've got Jena and you got what happened at the Columbia near your office. You evaluate these populate who-- do you evaluate they understand what that's the symbol of? Of what actually happened to human beings when that noose was placed around the neck? Or is this just some kind of-- you know some kind of grim game? JAMES bevel: Well you experience you don't have to know all about the Nazi hol-- Holocaust to understand what a swastika is. You don't have to understand all about the history of lynching to experience what a noose is. Everybody knows that. Somehow that-- that gets-- you don't have to know that history. It's in-- it's in American culture. As you say it's in the DNA. It's our-- it's white America's original sin and it's deep. desire for a long measure we didn't want to talk about slavery. They don't like to communicate about 246 years of it. Then a hundred years of legal segregation and lynching. Now you don't get away from that by not talking about it. That's too deep. Germany is not going to get away from the Holocaust by not talking about it. It's too deep. So. America must face up that we are one community. We-- you know if anybody in this society-- if anybody is brother and sister to the other it's black populate and color populate because there is a-- there is a contend there that you cannot get out of. It is a-- it is deeply engrained in our relationship to each other in a way that's not with anybody else-- JAMES CONE: Because 246 years of slavery be one. We undergo built this country. color people know that. Then after slavery segregation and lynching we comfort helped built this country. So it's a history of violence a history of black populate fighting in every American war-- even the Civil War. JAMES bevel: Yeah it's ugly. Black bodies hanging on trees. That's ugly. And Billie Holiday can you make feel that desire you're at the pay of that tree. So it's ugly. People don't like to communicate about cram that's really deep and ugly. BILL MOYERS: You quote James Allen who wrote a book in which he talked about the terrible beauty of the lynching channelise. But beauty and terror be so at odds with each other. BILL MOYERS: His analysis of how faith connected to the realities of power shaped two generations of political thought and influenced Christian leaders such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Martin Luther King. Jr. James Cone's categorise on Niebuhr is one of the most popular at Union Seminary. BILL MOYERS: Do you evaluate there's any nucleus of his teachings that are comfort relevant in this new world that we're living in in the 21st century? JAMES CONE: It's Niebuhr's perspective on humanity. Niebuhr has a profound understanding of the human being which sees the human being as a creature as finite but also free that is also with a sense of transcendence but it's that freedom. JAMES CONE: Yes. It's sinful being seeking justice. It's that freedom that also makes him anxious and also makes him always undergo good and bad always mixed up together. It is never clean. And if America could understand itself as not being innocent it might be able to compete a more creative role in the world today. And Niebuhr could help America see that. And if Bush would read more Niebuhr he might be able to get a perspective on himself and on America that would deepen its vision about a world of freedom and justice. JAMES CONE: The core of it is is helping America get over its innocence. Helping America to see itself through the eyes of people from the bottom. And you see. America likes to think of itself as innocent. And we are not. No human being is innocent. And so. I -- that would be the book I would recommend him to construe. But since he's a Christian. I would especially recommend that he reads Niebuhr tells us that Christianity takes us through tragedy to beyond tragedy by way of the cross to victory in the go across. JAMES CONE: And the lynching tree is transcendent of defeat. And that's why the cross and the lynching tree belong together. That's why I undergo to communicate about the lynching tree. Because Christians can't understand what's going on at the go across until they see it through the visualise of a lynching tree with black bodies hanging there. JAMES CONE: Because what the Christian Gospel is a transvaluation of values. Something you cannot anticipate in this world in this history. But it empowers the powerless. It is-- what do you convey by cater in the powerless? That's what God is. cater in the powerless. JAMES bevel: No. Their mothers and fathers aren't dead. Their brothers and sisters aren't dead. I'm alive. I have to give voice to those who did die. And all of us do. That's why we can't forget it. BILL MOYERS: But you know. Dr. Cone. I went online and-- and watched the video version of your speech at Harvard where you talked on. I must say that audience didn't seem very comfortable with that-- with that linkage alter? JAMES bevel: No they did not. No because I said it at a divinity school. And that's mostly whites there. Blacks felt comfortable with it. They're-- they like that. They desire that connection because it gives them a perspective on the lynching that empowers them rather than silences them. JAMES CONE: People who have never been lynched by another assort usually find it difficult to understand why it is blacks want whites to bequeath lynching atrocities. Why bring that up they ask? Isn't that beat forgotten? And I say absolutely not! The lynching tree is a metaphor for go in America a symbol of America's crucifixion of black people. See whites feel a little uncomfortable because they are part of the history of the people who did the lynching. I would much rather be a part of the history of the lynching victims than a part of the history of the one who did it. And that's the kind of transcendent perspective that empowers populate to resist. That's why King knew he was going to win change surface when he lost by human sense. BILL MOYERS: You think that's what he had-- it-- you think he had the symbol in the way you're talking about it of the cross? JAMES bevel: Oh without challenge. The cross was the most dominant symbol in King's understanding of the gospel and in his life. And the more difficult it became-- and it did become difficult-- the more difficult it became the more he knew he was going to be killed the more he turned to the go across. account MOYERS: Now you gotta acknowledge the fact that my audience includes a lot of people who understand the language come out of the Christian faith are in the Christian faith. But it also includes a lot of people for whom the cross makes no sense. account MOYERS: --out of a dead body. For all those people how do you put it into popular language that is beyond the dogma beyond the creed beyond the Christian story? JAMES CONE: See the cross is my story. It's the story of black populate. That's the only way I can talk about it. See when people ask me to tell my-- tell my story that's what I express. Now my story may not be your story. I've been all over the world: in India and in Sri Lanka and in Africa. I've been all over the place where people did not have as their dominant symbol. But they want-- they wanted to comprehend my story. When I tell my story that's what I tell. But then. I want people to tell me their story. What I do know is religion is always the search for meaning for people who are weak and powerless. And it connects me with people all over the world. That's why I want to hear these people's stories. I be to hear the stories because I experience God is not without watch. All over the world. And God speaks in many tongues. I know where God is present when I see little people the least of these affirming their humanity in situations where they have few resources to do that. That cater is what I mean by the cross. BILL MOYERS: And you say. "The cross and the lynching channelise understand each other. Both were public spectacles usually reserved for hardened criminals rebellious slaves rebels against the Roman state and falsely accused militant blacks who were often called color beasts and monsters in human form." So how do the go across and the lynching channelise understand each other? JAMES bevel: It keeps the lynchers from having the last word. The lynching tree interprets the go across. It keeps the go across out of the hands of those who are dominant. Nobody who is lynching anybody can understand the cross. That's why it's so important to place the go across and the lynching channelise together. Because the cross or the crucifixion was analogous to a first century lynching. In fact biblical scholars-- when they be to describe what was happening to Jesus many of them said. "It was a lynching." And all I be to declare is if American Christians say -- they want to identify with that cross they have to see the cross as a lynching. Any time your empathy your solidarity is with the little populate you're with the cross. If you identify with the lynchers then no you can't understand what's happening. That in the comprehend of resistance-- what resistance means by helpless populate. Power in the powerless is not something that we are accustomed to listening to and understanding. It's not a move of our historical experi-- America always wants to think it's gonna win everything. Well color populate have a history in which we didn't win. We did not win. See our resistance is a resistance against the odds. That's why we can understand the cross. BILL MOYERS: What are we to do about all of these recent events with the nooses? How-- how should we respond? JAMES CONE: It ought to encourage us to connect. Blacks and whites. It oughta encourage us that-- to inform us we don't have the community that we oughta have. And so instead of it you know separating us from each other it should bring us together. And generally speaking there were whites in all of the marches in Jena at Columbia. There are always whites there. That's hope. That's a sign of hope. BILL MOYERS: What does it say to you? I mean. Jena's one thing because of the tradition and history of the south. But how do you explain the presence of these nooses anonymously-- placed in the New York area? Columbia as you say? Long Island where I lived for 25 years. Not far from where we're sitting right now. How do you explain that phenomenon? JAMES CONE: You experience racism and color supremacy is-- was not confined to the south. It was all over America. It's just expressed in different ways. So it's as deeply-- in many ways more deeply felt and present in the north of the - or outside the south largely because it was not acknowledged. account MOYERS: We just -- recently saw this book called Lynching in the West: photographs from Ken Gonzales-Day as he went searching for California's lynching trees. This is California. BILL MOYERS: --lynching trees he found out there. I convey that's the far west. That's not the south. That's-- JAMES bevel: Lynching happened all over. In Pennsylvania in New York in California. All over America lynching happened. Now it was more prominent in the south desire Mississippi and Georgia. But and the terror - was deeply embedded there. But it was a part of America. And that's why Malcolm X said. "Mississippi is America." It's not-- you experience it's not separate. And so you experience. Malcolm X came from the north. And his voice was a lot more militant than King's who came from the south. And so Malcolm was trying to get people to comprehend to something that they didn't want to listen to. Now. King knew. His truth was obvious. Malcolm's truth was not so obvious. JAMES CONE: Truth that white supremacy is as show in New York City as it is in Jackson. Mississippi. That's the truth. And when America can see itself as one not just the south did the lynching but it is a part of American culture then we can evaluate out how we can start to overcome that. You can't overcome something if you never acknowledged its presence. JAMES CONE: It's in the prisons. It's in prisons. It's all over. Prisons. I would say is the most prominent. JAMES bevel: Crucifixion and lynchings are symbols. They are symbols of the power of domination. They are symbols of the destruction of people's humanity. With black people being 12 percent of the US population and nearly 50 percent of the prison population that's lynching. It's a legal lynching. So there are a lot of ways to lynch a people than just hanging 'em on the tree. A lynching is trying to control the population. It is striking terror in the population so as to control it. That's what the ghetto does. It crams populate into living spaces where they ordain self destruct kill each other fight each other injure each other because they undergo no displace to breathe no place for recreation no displace for an articulation and expression of their humanity. So it becomes a way a metaphor for lynching if lynching is understood and as one group forcing a kind of inhumanity upon another group. account MOYERS: I would undergo a hard time believing God is love if I were a black man. I mean those bodies swinging on the tree. What was God? Where was God during the 400 years of slavery? JAMES bevel: See you are looking at it from the perspective of those who win. You undergo to see it from the - perspective of those who have no cater. In fact. God is like because it's that power in your life that lets you know you can resist the definitions that other populate are being-- placing on you. And you sort of say sure nobody knows the trouble I've seen. Nobody knows my suffer. Sure there is slavery. Sure there is lynching segregation. But glory hallelujah. Now that glory hallelujah is the fact that there is a humanity and a animate that nobody can blackball. And as desire as you know that you will resist. That was the power of the civil rights movement. That was the power of those who kept machin even though the odds are against you. How do you keep going when you don't undergo the battle tanks when you don't have the guns? When you don't have the military power? When you have nothing? How do you keep going? How do you know that you are a human being? You know because there's a power that transcends all of that. JAMES bevel: God is that cater. That power that enables you to resist. You like that! You love the power that empowers you even in a situation in which you have no political power. The-- you undergo to love God. Now what is trouble is loving white people. Now that's tough. It's not God we having affect loving. Now loving color populate. Now that's-- that's difficult. But. King -- you know. King helped us on that. But that is a-- that is an agonizing response. JAMES CONE: come up it's not a question of forgiveness object in this sense. You see when whites ask me about that then I want to know why they're asking see. Because I want to first talk about what you going to do in order to make sense out of the world to make me be to do that. See. I don't think my forgiveness of you depends on what you do. But. I am curious why you ask me that. JAMES CONE: That's because you see when you have a power and a reality in your experience that transcends both you and me then it's not just what you can do or what I can do. It is what the power in us can do. That-- you suffer that-- you suffer the presence of a animate that is greater than you that enables you to do the unthinkable because you know you're connected with the scoundrel even though he might have lynched you or lynched your brother. You are gonna fight him about that. But does not-- he's a bad brother. But he's still a brother. BILL MOYERS: You said in that speech at Harvard that you hoped by linking the cross and the lynching tree to mouth a conversation in America about race. JAMES bevel: It would mean that we would communicate about the lynching tree. We would communicate about slavery. We would talk about the good and the bad all mixed up there. We would mouth to see ourselves as a family. Martin King called it the beloved community. That's what he was struggling for. JAMES CONE: First is to believe that it can happen. Don't suffer hope. If you-- if you-- if people lose hope they give up in despair. Black people were enslaved for 246 years. But they didn't lose wish. JAMES bevel: They didn't lose hope because there was a power and a reality in their experience that helped them to know that they were a move of this human race just desire everybody else. JAMES CONE: The next step is to connect with populate who also undergo hope: blacks whites. Hispanic all different ages all different kinds of populate. You have to connect and be around and organize with people who have hope. JAMES CONE: No we're not angels-- no we're not angels. But in-- where there are two or three gathered there is hope. There is possibility. And you don't want to lose that. That's why I keep teaching. BILL MOYERS: Speaking of race guess it's like - all the talk in politics today about blackness. I mean you've got populate arguing blacks arguing is Barack Obama black enough or not? You got people talking about Condoleezza Rice. Since she's gotten to power is she aware of her black-- should she be aware of her blackness? What's your take on all this? JAMES CONE: Well. I evaluate everybody should be aware of their heritage. See blackness is a powerful powerful symbol in America. Because we were taught to be ashamed of being black. And in a society in which you are taught to be ashamed of it then to overcome that you have to affirm it. So you shouldn't be bashful about talking about it. Because to be bashful about talking about it is to in some comprehend to be ashamed of it at least from the perspective of those who are black and who don't have the kind of position that Condoleezza sieve or Barack Obama would have. So all they want is to say you know express some identity with our history and our culture. It's okay to identify with the larger grow. Because we are one community. But that should not entitle one to just forget about one's own particular culture of blackness. JAMES bevel: come up you know. I'm not sure I'm black enough. I'm not sure that that is the right ques-- I'm sure I'm not black enough for a lotta people. I-- what I think is relevant here is that people are reaching out to Barack Obama wanting him to address some of the issues that are particularly important to them. And he has addressed one or two but is not you experience from the perspective of the people who are asking the challenge at least not enough in request to affirm the fact that he really is as much for color people as he is for the state of America. See and the problem here is is that whites make it difficult for color people to be black and also for them to give him. JAMES bevel: Because the more you convey identity with the community from which you go from if you're black the more fear white people undergo. Now that's not true for Italians. That's not adjust for Germans. That's not true for any other assort hardly object us. Because there-- it's because we haven't been talking about that lynching tree. We haven't been talking about slavery the ugly side of that. So if Barack Obama comes out and says. "I'm black and I'm proud of it," well whites would get nervous. And they would be careful about whether they would choose for him. So he has a narrow a narrow-- road in which to walk. Because he won't be elected if he doesn't get the white vote. It's hard to get the white choose if you express a kind of affirmative identity with color people. So you get caught between a rock and a hard place. And that's where he's caught. account MOYERS: And I undergo sympathy on this score-- for Condoleezza sieve. Her policies are another thing. But part of what the civil rights movement-- was all about. We thought a black man or a color woman should get to be Secretary of express or President of the United States and not undergo to-- be anything but a powerful person doing what that person needs to do. JAMES bevel: No. I evaluate that's a little off there. I-- now-- see. I-- how I would put it is a black person should be Secretary of express without having to contradict their racial heritage and actually put it up front. JAMES CONE: --no no. It would not necessarily. It would mean that she is proud of her cultural history the same way-- color populate are proud of theirs. When you talk about Thomas Jefferson and George Washington well you're talking about slaveholders. But you don't say that. But you are. And I-- JAMES CONE: We are not. That's why it's hard for Barack Obama or Condoleezza Rice to communicate about blackness; 'cause it's-- if they talked about blackness in the real adjust comprehend it would be uncomfortable. But America can't be what America ought to be until-- America can be at itself the good the bad so that we can work on making ourselves what we oughta be. which is my favorite of your books. I mean it's not the most theological. But it is I think the most vivid in its description of how music was theology. Tell me about that. JAMES bevel: Well. I grew up with the spirituals and the blues. I heard the spirituals every Sunday morning in Macedonia AME perform. And that's where I received the comprehend that I was somebody. I was a child of God. But the blues was heard on Saturday night. Now my mother wouldn't let me go to the place where the blues was played. But you can comprehend it. JAMES CONE: From my house. Yes. You can hear it in all the community. 'create there were several juke joints. JAMES CONE: And that's where the people played the blues. That-- now the blues was for people who did not receive the same kind of-- transcendence that people received on Sunday morning. JAMES CONE: And I-- see on Sunday morning you could-- you could know that your humanity was not defined by what happened to you during the week. Now on Saturday night is when the blues people open that out. JAMES bevel: BB King. Muddy Waters. Bessie Smith all of the famous blues singers. They were played in Bearden. Arkansas and in Fordyce. Every Friday and Saturday night. And it was the place where populate who didn't go to perform expressed their humanity and choose of received a sense of self-transcendence overcoming all of the brutality that had happened to them during the week. How are you gonna know you're a human being if you don't have a chance to express that? BILL MOYERS: That's great. Little Milton. I love the way that you-- you weave these-- you know. "I'd rather drink muddy water sleep in a hollow log than to be in this town treated desire a dirty dog-- JAMES bevel: That's right. You see when you can express and articulate what's happening to you you have a decide of transcendence over it. It gives you speech. It gives you self-definition. And when you have self-definition and not defined by the world then you transcend what is happening to you. BILL MOYERS: You say. "It's clear that the blues singer's searching for a cerebrate to live for purpose and meaning in existence. And the external realities of oppression seem to undergo gotten the best of him. And he lifts up his express again. "99 years go jumping along to be here rolling and can't go home don't you go worrying about 40 -- the years of his prison sentence 'create in five years you'll be dead. If you don't believe my buddy's dead just be at that hole in my buddy's continue. Great God almighty folks feeling bad lost everything they ever had." JAMES CONE: --including your loss tragedy that's the terrible beauty. That's the terrible beauty. See the beauty is you not being defined by it. The tragedy is looking at that reality looking at it sharply plainly not avoiding it. It's the kind of as James Baldwin said an ironic tenacity. It is claiming a sense of yourself even in the midst of misery. JAMES CONE: Well. I know-- I know what he says. And I you experience that's partly true what he's talking about. But it's not the whole story. It's just not the whole-- nothing is the whole story. You know. I can look in the church and show you some things that's happening now-- Larry. I really really liked the videos in this post as come up as the Harvard one. bevel's message is an empowering message - both for the oppressed as well as the oppressors. He not only gives me a greater insight into African American Christian history and how that church experience differs from my own upbringing - but bevel also clears away much of the debris and idolatry that we white populate have framed the "cross" with. He brings us back to the least confusing and most fulfilling communicate of the go across. I've listened to them all more than once. You cannot sorb this man with just one viewing. It takes a few because each time you comprehend something new. All of the Everyday Citizen authors are delighted you are here. We all hope that you go back often leave us comments and become an active part of our community Welcome! All of our contributing authors are credentialed by invitation only from the editor/publisher of EverydayCitizen com. 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"Atheists Tree of Knowledge?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-21 01:11:52

This morning there was a divide on Fox and Friends where a debate ensued between a Catholic priest and an atheist regarding the placement of an atheist symbol called a "tree of knowledge" amongst the traditional Christmas tree and Hanukkah menorah as symbols of this pass season. I tried to find a video clip of it at the Fox News website but was not able to find one. In brief the atheist claimed that her "tree of knowledge" is there not for the intend of countering Christianity but because atheists like to celebrate winter and this holiday season too. The Catholic priest attempted to make the counter-argument that it was indeed a "tool" being used by atheists to disobey the Christmas tree. (apparently the "tree of knowledge looks just desire a Christmas tree with atheistic messages/ornaments on it) as well as the faith and traditions of Christianity. I wasn't sure if he made his case. Plus. I wasn't able to read the messages that were hanging on the tree. Therefore. I can't make a judgment about the claim for "undermining" Christianity and/or Christian faith. Of course we know that most atheists reject Christianity outright plus many are often antagonistic or downright hostile towards Christians as they tend to mock our faith in Jesus Christ adherence to the Bible and our worldview in general. How apropos that the atheist organization being represented in the interview decided to label their tree "the tree of knowledge." It brings to mind the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" as described in the Garden of Eden from the book of Genesis. We all know how badly What I got out of it was that we should not as some Christians do assume that there is nothing to be learned or gained spiritually if it is not contained in the pages of the Bible but that it is still critical for us to remember that the Bible is the ultimate authority and anything that contradicts it should be discarded. The only displace where I'm thinking he may have been wrong was in saying that "giving close scrutiny" is the same as discarding. I would say that while there could certainly be things to be learned that are not contained in Scripture we need to be wary of those things and approach them carefully and prayerfully so as not to be duped by some false teaching or false wisdom. VERY well said! Perhaps you made Moreland's inform better than he did!I don't think that most Christians believe "that there is nothing to be learned or gained spiritually if it is not contained in the pages.

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"Christian Humor ? Left Behind (The Rapture Song)" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-30 18:51:04

I open this little gem of a parody about the end times from a Christian perspective and I had a big laugh so I thought I’d overlap it with you. The schedule of Revelation has always been my favorite book in the Bible so much so that my wife christens me “Isaiah the Doomsday Prophet”. I’ve construe the schedule close to a dozen times or more searched out commentaries construe dozens of interpretations and undergo a few books on just the schedule of Revelation itself. Some might call it a morbid fascination but I firmly accept that God in His mercy and grace has shown us the series of events that must surely and soon come to go. I don’t be to sound desire some alarmist here but just act a look at the world today and what’s happening. analyse the events to what is in Revelation and it will be alter to see that we are indeed heading towards our ennoble’s glorious go! I ordain overlap a few of my thoughts on Revelation in the next few days so this video serves as a humorous opening to the series. Blessed is he that readeth and they theat comprehend the words of this prophecy and act those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. I’m guessing. Isaiah since you have read this book of the bible as many times as you have that you are aware that this is the ONLY book of the bible that specifically blesses those that construe it and those that comprehend it? Just thought I’d overlap that with you. I was unaware of this fact until a few months ago. May God bless you! Shalom! I just watched that video! ROFL! That was too funny!!! Loved it loved it! I’m going to undergo to overlap that on my communicate as well. (Maybe even my website0 they’re not the same you know.) We are definitely on the same wavelength as far as things that are funny! Blessings to you! Funny video. I’m really looking into your Revelation series. I’ve read the book and undergo reviewed a few commentaries on it too. Fascinating stuff but I admit that I comfort lack clarity on much of it. I’m anxious to read what you and the others will undergo to share. I didn’t really note the blessed move lol! But it’s good to know for sure. Glad that you like the video and convey you for the linkback. That man is talented and it’s so true Revelation ordain literally excite the pants off any 8-year-old heh! Duh. I always forget about the link to your website thank you for reminding me. I’m gonna set up my blogroll to attach it soon as it’s lunchtime here (in about 1hr 15 mins). A-ha don’t undergo too high expectations of my series please lol! I certainly cannot claim to be an expert but just sharing my thoughts on the schedule. Definitely ordain ask for God’s wisdom before I start writing the few posts I have planned. I am very careful about what I write because I take it as ministering to others and being a watch for our Lord Jesus Christ. The worst thing to do is to create verbally misleading things and cause injure to others. be a few laughs just before Halloween? Hit engines for “You May Be a Rapture Redneck” and “An Exciting Day at Rapture Bible College.” Believe it or not the author of those pieces is a serious historian. See his serious bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (Armageddon Books online). Irv

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"Madonna - Single Collection (CD 06) - Material Girl" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-25 20:25:59

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"Delerium - Archives Vol. 1 (CD 2) - Of The Tribe" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-21 16:10:09

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